When I was in Finland in November I went to the Kiasma(Museum of Contemporary Art) and lots of the media displays there there driven by RPis.

*Pours oil on troubled waters with a joke*

Q. What does the “B” in Benoit B Mandelbrot stand for?
A. Benoit B Mandelbrot.

Cluck, cluck. I was just trying to be say how much I appreciate your contributions on all things RPi but how on this matter I thought you had crossed the line. Btw I am Catholic and thanks for opining on my behalf. Lets leave it there eh ?

Jim — I know that YOU know from long 艹+豆 that when a discussion on the Net gets to the point of ridiculing names it’s time to take it off forum. So gents: if you want me to swap email addresses then let me know. Otherwise: Dev Art, isn’t it lovely? ;)

cheers,
Clive

Unlike the self-obsessed who overpopulate some parts of the Net, I really couldn’t care less what you think of me. There’s a big difference between art and a PR stunt meant to hurt and spread hate, which is all that some purported “art” is. Bullies only succeed if no one calls them out on it and not challenging bullies is equivalent to supporting them – claiming they have a right to hurt others is outright evil and eventually leads to things like dictatorships, organized crime, terrorism, etc., (knuckling down on seemingly inconsequential crimes in New York soon led to a ~40% reduction in violet crimes because it became obvious that civilized people had had enough). No, I’m not Catholic or what you would assume to be some religious, right-wing nut job, but like pornography, I know hate when I see it, and so does every other person with a conscience, not just me. Shock value alone does not constitute an artistic endeavor, it’s just a means of marketing. Attempts to cordon art off to judgement by a self-appointed group of like-minded elitists are evidence of an unhealthy, excessive juvenile need for attention.

If a Pi were used to produce hateful tripe, whether it was in the form of images, games, text, etc., I would come down just as hard on the perpetrators. Thankfully, the Pi community has, so far, been a haven devoid of people who try to hijack the educational mission of the 艹+豆’s efforts in order to further their own bent agenda. My bent agenda is the same as the 艹+豆’s – bending young minds to discover they can achieve much more than their environment would lead them to believe, including recognition of worthless marketing of hate using filth (literally, in some cases) for what it is.

BTW, is your handle meant to signify that you pose a hazard to miniscule, defenseless chickens, or that you’re a threatening cock-a-doodle-doo(-doo – Oooo, look, I made some outrageous, filth-based art, it must be hung in a museum right now or I will have a fit)? If the latter, congratulations on being able to type with those feathery appendages ;)

Jim, a bit of a cheap shot I feel. I can assure you that you Chris Offili is not an idiot. Perhaps you could reign it in a little? If someone was to come on here and say that the RPi and everything associated with it were worthless piles of junk you and I would know that they were ill-informed. So why the need for you to express such an opinion on modern art ? (my apologies if you consider yourself to be well-versed in art criticism). I suggest we all stick to our own areas of interest/expertise for fear of sounding stupid and, if not careful, besmirching our reputations and ultimately losing the respect of others. The only place your reputation exists for me is on this forum and by going off piste in such a fashion you have knocked it a bit. I really value all your RPi stuff and see you as one of the most well-informed contributors operating outside the 艹+豆 inner-circle.

It’s Art, Jim, but not as we know it

In reply to Gordon.

If Andy Warhol’s painting of a can of Campbell’s Cream of Tomato Soup is considered art, and some idiot’s “painting” made from flinging dung on a canvas supposedly representing the Holy Virgin Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Virgin_Mary) can fetch millions and be exhibited in some hoity-toity museum of “modern” art, then I think we can call pretty much anything coming out of the HDMI port on a Pi art, including Scratch animations! :lol: